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No Gods, no masters

Opinion Columnist

Published: Wednesday, February 17, 2010

Updated: Thursday, February 18, 2010 10:02

"Men speak. That is their role in the church. The women have a different role. They are to help and encourage others. It's not a matter of equality as much as just each gender has a different job."

 
I logged onto Facebook the other day to be welcomed by this gem. I had been discussing the merits of taking the Bible literally when "Eve" dropped this bomb. I was floored – utterly floored and speechless. How does one respond to blatant, self-loathing sexism?
 
This discussion, and a few others I'll mention later, got me thinking about equality and religion's fight against it. My intention isn't to bash religion, but rather, those holding misogynistic views under the guise of religious doctrine. Many don't even seem to realize they're doing it.

 
This problem is far from isolated. The past decade we've seen the rise of a rebranded fundamentalist Christianity, spearheaded by leaders such as Mark Driscoll. Described by the New York Times as having the "coolest style and foulest mouth of any preacher you've ever seen," Driscoll grew his Seattle congregation to  more than 7,600 weekly visitors. His "Act 29" project has begun planting similar churches throughout the country.

 
Despite his "hip" style, Driscoll's views border on patriarchy. Modern Christianity, he says, has been taken over by "chicks and some chickified dudes with limp wrists." Jesus has been turned into "a Richard Simmons, hippie, queer Christ."

 
Driscoll is an advocate of 1 Timothy 2:12 which states "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." Women in his church cannot hold leadership roles and are required to submit to their husbands.

 
Terrifyingly enough, his views are spreading. Even in Cedar Falls, at least one local church is a part of the Acts 29 movement. In a recent sermon, their pastor spoke of how men are the head of a household and women aren't to take leadership roles in the church. God created different roles for the sexes, claimed the pastor.

"Women have lost the battle of trying to get their way with their husbands." Women need to accept their role, he concludes.

 
It is, of course, absurd to not acknowledge the differences between the sexes. Last year, MastersofHealthCare.com compiled a list of the "10 Big Differences between Men's and Women's Brains" from a collection of psychological journals, books and government entities. (Although the site itself is suspect, the studies it cites are not). Women communicate more effectively, men process better in the left hemisphere of their brains; women handle stress better, men have stronger spatial abilities.

 
However, the important qualifier on all of these is "on average." There are, no doubt, women who are great at math and parallel parking but are terrible at communication. Likewise some men – this author included – can't parallel park to save their lives.

While we can speak about the typical man and woman, it is patently sexist to shove all men and women into respective boxes.

 
Oftentimes this sexism appears innocent enough. The local pastor from the church I mentioned earlier has this to say when discussing the roles of men and women:
 
"[M]en are lazy, indulgent, and do not care to take care of a woman…Women are self starters due many times to the laziness of men…Men in general have a low view of women, and this is shown by their desire to pay money for cheap sex and live-ins without commitment and a taker lifestyle. Commit! Have children!"

 
This is great, right? NO! Not all men are lazy, indulgent and don't care of women. Not all women are self-starters. Not all men have a low view of women and want cheap sex. Some women don't want commitment and not all women want children. This is obviously, blatantly sexist – yet this man of God clearly though he was anything but.

 
When the women's suffrage movement first took off, it embraced the slogan "No Gods and No Masters." Women called for independence; they wanted the final say over their own bodies and minds. Yet, here we are, a century later with a teenage girl who won't speak in her own church. Oh how far we have come.

 
 

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Anonymous
Thu Mar 11 2010 01:22
Margaret Sanger, Emily? Seriously?

Is this the same Margaret Sanger who said, "We do not want word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population," she said, "if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

Is it the same Margaret Sanger who also referred to blacks, immigrants and indigents as "...'human weeds', 'reckless breeders,' 'spawning... human beings' who never should have been born"?

Is it the same Margaret Sanger who said, "The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it"?

There are more quotes I could list, but you get the point. You accuse others of sexism, yet you admire someone who was a racist in the extreme, and who supported infanticide.

Anonymous
Thu Feb 25 2010 17:18
that's embarassing Brooks, fyi: when you speak or publish your own words in a public format they can be reused in whatever fashion. simply no law against that unless they are taken out of context or used to convey a disparate message. bottom line, you said these inflammatory comments, and you should be ashamed that you are a pastor, and person.

why dont you pass the collection basket around so you can get another iphone?

Anonymous
Thu Feb 25 2010 00:34
"That man over there says that women need to be helped into carriages, and lifted over ditches, and to have the best place everywhere. Nobody ever helps me into carriages, or over mud-puddles, or gives me any best place! And ain't I a woman? Look at me! Look at my arm! I have ploughed and planted, and gathered into barns, and no man could head me! And ain't I a woman? I could work as much and eat as much as a man - when I could get it - and bear the lash as well! And ain't I a woman? I have borne thirteen children, and seen most all sold off to slavery, and when I cried out with my mother's grief, none but Jesus heard me! And ain't I a woman?

Then they talk about this thing in the head; what's this they call it? [member of audience whispers, "intellect"] That's it, honey. What's that got to do with women's rights or negroes' rights? If my cup won't hold but a pint, and yours holds a quart, wouldn't you be mean not to let me have my little half measure full?

Then that little man in black there, he says women can't have as much rights as men, 'cause Christ wasn't a woman! Where did your Christ come from? Where did your Christ come from? From God and a woman! Man had nothing to do with Him.

If the first woman God ever made was strong enough to turn the world upside down all alone, these women together ought to be able to turn it back , and get it right side up again! And now they is asking to do it, the men better let them.

Obliged to you for hearing me, and now old Sojourner ain't got nothing more to say. "

-Sojourner Truth

The only things women need to be protected from is misogynistic, irrelevant, male-centered religious dogma.

Don't tell me I can't speak my mind and tell me it's for my own good. Or for the good of your (male) God.

Trevor
Tue Feb 23 2010 00:41
"Quotation marks."
Brooks Hanes
Mon Feb 22 2010 22:13
Trevor,

This is my first comment.

My iPhone will not allow me to view the comments, and I was gone all weekend without my computer, only iPhone could access the internet. Check the IP from anonymous and compare it to this if you doubt that.

So right now, just getting back from rural MN where my in-laws live, I see the comments.

But I do not expect anything different from you than to assume I am posting anonymously. At least you tried to "credit" me with the anonymous post, which you did not do in your "article."

FWIW a couple of the quotes and references to a pastor in Trevor's article are from me, and I am the preaching pastor at Kaio Church - www.KaioChurch.com.

FYI if you communicate with Trevor Boeckmann at all on Facebook he can and will use comments on his wall for his own personal opinion articles, without permission.

Anonymous
Mon Feb 22 2010 18:34
[Anonymous] "Lucas--I would respond by saying, as a woman, that the offensiveness of that whole idea is the lack of choice..."

When you frame your objection in terms of being offended, that's emotive language. It plays into the stereotype of women as emotional. Was that your intention?

"Barring women from doing a job because you or your god feels that it is burdensome for them is not your decision, and is discriminatory even if you feel you are protecting them."

Are you saying that any and all discriminatory policies are inherently wrong? For example, should the campus police refuse to hire paroled sex offenders? Or would that be too discriminatory?

Simon Darkforce
Mon Feb 22 2010 16:40
I would just like to add that "women are the root of all evil." It says that or something like that in the bible, just look it up. So, why in the heck would we ever want them to become leaders? They'd obviously seek to destroy all this is good and right in the world like war and famine and discrimination. Who wants to live in a world without those things. I, for one, do not.

Those are my two cents. Good day and good riddance!

EMILY BORMANN
Sun Feb 21 2010 23:27
I find it ironically convenient that the misogynistic views to which you align yourself with are divinely inspired. It must be nice to at least have something to reinforce your sexist notions so you can sleep at night. We're just going to have to agree to disagree..I'll agree that your magic isn't reasonable and you can disagree that logical arguments aren't legitimate. I cannot refute someone who can simply reinforce their beliefs with made up notions. If that were the case, I'd always be right.

"It is having a servant's heart and being willing to let your husband/father/elders make decisions and lead spiritually. This again is not a bad thing or sexism. This is a burden lifted off of women to protect them and show love."

LET YOUR HUSBAND/FATHER/ELDERS MAKE DECISIONS AND LEAD SPIRITUALLY...this means by letting ONLY men make decisions WOMEN cannot make decisions thereby freeing them of a BURDEN to PROTECT them. What burden are they being relieved from if it is not thought? Of being an elder you say? What does an elder do? THINK. MAKE DECISIONS. You are saying women should not do this, therefore saying they should follow blindly. If they cannot make decisions for themselves, what else are they doing besides following blindly?

Trevor
Sun Feb 21 2010 22:55
No need to post anonymously, Brooks.
Lucas Hewitt
Sun Feb 21 2010 22:08
@Emily: "Imagine, for one moment, if these women were lifted of their burden of thought."

Burden of thought? They can't be elders in the church, that is all. Being led spiritually does not mean they follow blindly or are slaves. They look up to and respect their husbands and serve them as the Church would serve Christ.

"Now, I realize this is equality 101 for you so let me go ahead and define that for you as well..."

Thank you for subtly implying I'm an idiot. Your sarcasm is unnecessary and only makes you look the worse.

"You assume it is better for women to be quiet and docile on the basis of what other men have written years and years ago, you assume men know what is best for women based upon what men have said years and years ago, you assume men obtain most of the hard, laborious and often painful jobs (have you ever heard of childbirth? I mean isn't it CALLED labor?)."

Quiet? No. Docile? No. I'll refrain from reiteration. I believe the words written years and years ago to be divinely inspired so, even though directly written by a man, are originally from God. Having a baby is different from being an elder and I'm sure far more painful.

Lucas Hewitt
Sun Feb 21 2010 22:06
@Jean: "Oh yeah, and Lucas! Women can hold very few roles in the Catholic church... have you ever seen a female bishop, pope, or priest?? No!"

The Catholic church is completely unbiblical and therefore irrelevant.

"Why are you turning your opinions into facts??"

These are not my opinions, I'm just obeying and agreeing with what the Bible says.

"Its like Fox News....only in readable form....sheesh...."

Oh, posh. I decline any sort of political affiliation.

Lucas Hewitt
Sun Feb 21 2010 22:04
@Sam: "It seems that the burden of deciding whether or not to be a free person is also lifted off of the shoulders of women in your mind."

Free person? I already said the only thing they're barred from is being elders. Apart from being merely one role in the church it is also neither glamorous or particularly desirable. This is not my nor any other Christian's choice.

"I used to think of it as an over reaction when marriage was viewed as slavery. It turns out I was wrong."

Uh, what?

"I believe that you should at least give people the chance to show their equality. Give women a chance and I guarantee you will be surprised how not fragile and how capable they really are."

This isn't a deal about equality at all.

Lucas Hewitt
Sun Feb 21 2010 22:04
@Anon: "I would respond by saying, as a woman, that the offensiveness of that whole idea is the lack of choice. Barring women from doing a job because you or your god feels that it is burdensome for them is not your decision, and is discriminatory even if you feel you are protecting them."

The only thing women are barred from doing in a church is to be an elder. This is not a choice or decision made by Christians but a decision made by God in the Bible. It's not mine to disagree with or go against said decision.

Anonymous
Sun Feb 21 2010 21:43
Good job quoting local pastors without context, consent, or reference. Pretty low, man.
Emily Bormann2
Sun Feb 21 2010 21:41
CONTINUED FROM BELOW
benevolent sexism reinforces the 'positive' attitudes towards women in traditional roles such as: protective paternalism, idealization of women, and desire for intimate relations.

You have miraculously, however, managed to also highlight ideas of hostile sexism. Now, I realize this is equality 101 for you so let me go ahead and define that for you as well...

Hostile sexism refers to the negative equivalents on each dimension: dominative paternalism, derogatory beliefs, and heterosexual hostility.

Now, why is this bad? The basis of sexism is rooted deeply within the establishment of discrimination based upon assumptions. You do ASSUME there is a god. You assume it is better for women to be quiet and docile on the basis of what other men have written years and years ago, you assume men know what is best for women based upon what men have said years and years ago, you assume men obtain most of the hard, laborious and often painful jobs (have you ever heard of childbirth? I mean isn't it CALLED labor?). Your fundamental beliefs are all based upon ASSUMPTIONS.

Emily Bormann
Sun Feb 21 2010 21:38
Margaret Sanger
Elizabeth Blackwell
Indira Gandhi
Hillary Clinton
Margaret Thatcher
Madeleine Albright
Janet Reno
Rosa Parks
Marie Curie
Mary Wollstonecraft
Joan of Arch
Betty Friedan
Gloria Steinem
Mother Teresa
Emma Goldmann
Jane Addams
Clara Barton
Eleanor Roosevelt
Georgia O'Keefe
Harriet Beecher Stowe
Harriet Tubman
Sojourner Truth

Imagine, for one moment, if these women were lifted of their burden of thought. What impact would this have on society; if half the population of intelligent beings were simply dismissed upon the basis of 'protection and love'. You sir are the epitome of patriarchy and have highlighted so eloquently the dangers of such. What you have so established in your response is the ideology of benevolent sexism. For a man who doesn't understand what sexism is and how dangerous it is, let me define it for you. I understand, being the lowly woman I am, this will indeed be very burdensome for me...but I'll give it a shot anyway.

Jean
Sun Feb 21 2010 20:57
Awesome! I feel the underlying meaning is no person should have power over another. If women had subserviant roles and men did not abuse their power there would not be as much of a problem. No person should be in control of another because it is simply human nature to abuse that power. Certainly not everyone would, but it would be inevitable.

Oh yeah, and Lucas! Women can hold very few roles in the Catholic church... have you ever seen a female bishop, pope, or priest?? No! Why are you turning your opinions into facts?? Its like Fox News....only in readable form....sheesh....

Sam K
Sun Feb 21 2010 20:53
It seems that the burden of deciding whether or not to be a free person is also lifted off of the shoulders of women in your mind. I used to think of it as an over reaction when marriage was viewed as slavery. It turns out I was wrong.

Correction:
"Submissiveness is a bad thing. This, like many things, has been taken to the extreme and that extreme is then made to be the norm. It is having a slave's freedom and being forced to let your husband/father/elders force decisions and command spiritually. This again is a bad thing and sexism. This is a burden put upon women to own them and belittle them."

I took the liberty of correcting part of the above comment. Sexism is discrimination. It may be a fairly recent idea compared to the oppression of the church, but I believe that you should at least give people the chance to show their equality. Give women a chance and I guarantee you will be surprised how not fragile and how capable they really are. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THEY'RE HUMAN!

Anonymous
Sun Feb 21 2010 20:18
Lucas--I would respond by saying, as a woman, that the offensiveness of that whole idea is the lack of choice. Barring women from doing a job because you or your god feels that it is burdensome for them is not your decision, and is discriminatory even if you feel you are protecting them.
Lucas Hewitt
Sun Feb 21 2010 19:59
The only thing women aren't allowed to do in a church is to be an elder. Simple as that. This is something women should be thankful for. Being an elder is not a fun job. You have to deal with rebuking people, church discipline, having terrible things said about you, making hard decisions, and sometimes even kicking people out of a church. It's like God saying, "Ladies, I will not allow you to pick up dog poop or vomit or have to do any disgusting work." It's a blessing, not a curse.

Submissiveness is not a bad thing. This, like many things, has been taken to the extreme and that extreme is then made to be the stereotype. It is having a servant's heart and being willing to let your husband/father/elders make decisions and lead spiritually. This again is not a bad thing or sexism. This is a burden lifted off of women to protect them and show love.

I'm not sure what problem you have with the original quote. It isn't an issue of women being less equal or less good than men. Men have been given the hard, laborious and often very painful jobs. This is nothing to complain about. God knows what He's doing.

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