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Prop 8 overruling a threat to democracy

By Robert Turner

Published: Monday, August 30, 2010

Updated: Monday, August 30, 2010

Prop 8

Wally Skalij/Los Angeles Times/MCT

Luke Otterstas and his fiancee, Nadia Chawka, gathered outside the Philip Burton Federal Building in San Francisco, California, as a judge ruled Proposition 8 unconstitutional on Wednesday, August 4, 2010.

Recently, a ruling came down from the California Supreme Court blocking the controversial Proposition 8, which would ban homosexual marriages in California.  I'm not going to debate the merits of the law and whether it should or shouldn't be enacted. I believe there is a much bigger danger in this court ruling, one that really threatens every state, not just California, and is about much more than marriage.

First, this is a highly divisive issue, with both Republicans and Democrats voting for this initiative, a fact that is lost in a lot of the reporting on the issue.  In the 2008 Presidential election, California's count was 5,011,781 for McCain and 8,274,473 for Obama, according to the CNN election results.  When looking at the numbers for Prop 8, a little over 7 million voted for the ban while almost 6.5 million voted no.  According to the Public Policy Institute of California, 77 percent of Republicans voted for the ban while 66 percent of Democrats voted no, so there were crossovers on both sides of the political parties.  According to exit polling reported in the New York Times, 70 percent of African-American voters voted for the ban; the majority of those voted Democratic.  In the final count, 52.3 percent voted yes and 47.7 percent voted no. A clear majority wanted this ban to be the law in California.

Lawsuits were filed by several parties almost immediately after the Nov. 2 elections.  In early August, Judge Vaughn Walker struck down the ban, saying that it was unconstitutional.  Appeals are being filed and most likely the case will end up before the U.S. Supreme Court.  I think the major danger in this ruling is that the judge went against the wishes of the people when the people had a clear vote and the ban was voted in.  If a judge can rule against the will of the people, why should people even bother voting?

There are a lot of laws I don't agree with, many of which I feel intrude on the rights of citizens.  As a Libertarian, I believe the government should not be in the personal lives of Americans.  But when a law that the majority of voters want is invalidated, it comes with a price.  In this case, do the votes cast even mean a single thing?  One side vilifies the other, and had the sides been reversed, there still would have been lawsuits filed; the danger would still be the same. Would that judge still go against the wishes of the voting public?  

With such a controversial issue, it's easy for both sides to get lost in the debate and the deep-seated feelings, but if nothing else, please consider this:  Next time, it may be another issue, another judge, another majority vote for something that gets overturned.  When that happens, the government, the judges – they are the ruling class and the wishes of the people will no longer count for anything, and we could lose everything that makes America a wonderful and free place.

Comments

5 comments
Robert Turner
Thu Sep 2 2010 23:56
Actually, even the comments that basically said I'm an idiot, I enjoy reading for some perverse reason, and like in my first comment, I do thank you a lot for actually taking the time to say it was well written. Actually, your comment inspired me for another article, which I think is fantastic. I love to have people comment, especially when they disagree. I guess I hope that even when disagreeing, that I've made people think a little bit, which is really all I want to do. I love playing the devil's advocate, and I can see both sides of an argument most of the time, so that comes in handy.
Nick Krob
Thu Sep 2 2010 11:14
I'm not the same Nick that posted a comment about "On Liberty"...I don't even have facebook. Im actually Nick Krob, another opinion columnist.

I completely understand what you're saying. And I do believe it is a valid argument. It's just tough with me, because for a case like this, I obviously have very strong beliefs. But taking this argument to a case with not as much at stake, say a tax increase or something, I would probably agree with you a lot easier. But the truth of the matter is that it is happening right now with such a decisive issue and it makes every argument that much more serious.

Anyways, I think it's a good first article. I was wondering, because I had never seen your name before as a columnist. It was very well written and clearly argued (with supporting facts and statistics that some columnists, my self often included, don't provide). I look forward to seeing more articles from you.

And sorry to leave a comment that sounds like a peer review of a book report, but I know it's helpful for writers to hear things other than anger-fueled comments criticizing their piece. Some people think that just because they don't agree with an article, it is a bad article. Which in this case, is not true.

Robert Turner
Thu Sep 2 2010 01:45
Hi Nick, I'd like to thank you for your comments. Yes, I wrote the article and you're the first to disagree but still say it's well written, and I'd like to thank you, it was my first article for the Northern Iowan. I just wanted to say that I wasn't really trying to comment on this specific case, if you look towards the end, I talk about how there would be lawsuits if things were reversed and everything. I was trying to make people think a little bit. What if it had been reversed, and prop 8 had been voted down, there was a lawsuit, and a judge said the vote didn't matter and that it should be illegal? Would you still say that the judge was right in their opinion? That was what I was trying to get at, a judge is still human. Just because they are a judge doesn't mean they don't have their own biases and that they are always correct in their opinions.

It seemed like everyone assumed that I was pro prop 8 and anti gay marriage, which actually isn't the case. I truly wanted to make people think and for people to have a reaction, which obviously some did. Also, I don't know if you're the same Nick that posted the comment under the facebook comments about "On Liberty." I actually have taken that class, and I would point out that Mill's didn't just talk about the tyranny of the majority, he also talked about the tyranny of the government and the tyranny of the minority, just something to keep in mind.

But again, thank you for the kind words, I really do appreciate it.

Nick Krob
Wed Sep 1 2010 21:09
Lets be honest. Sometimes the public doesn't know what is right. Hence why we have a judicial branch of the government. What do you think the Supreme Court is for? They aren't elected by the people, and yet they decide the Constitutionality of government actions. Some issues go beyond public prejudice and deserve professional decisions.

The fact that the banning of a fundamental right was left to a public vote in the first place is the scary part. You're basically saying that prejudice should be protected simply because it was decided by democracy. Frankly, however, some of the public isn't in touch with reality.

Lets say a modern Southern state had a vote to see if black people should be allowed to use the same facilities as whites. And lets also say that the racists rallied behind the cause to segregate blacks and came out in large numbers as the non-racist individuals didn't think there was a chance of it passing and consequently didn't vote. Then the ruling passed making blacks use different facilities than whites. Would we then just say it should be law because it's democracy? The people wanted it, so it should stand? No. Because we have come to KNOW racism is inherently wrong and thus do not allow it. But the abolition of racism in legal doctrine was not voted on by people. It was decided through Supreme Court rulings. This is the same idea. Maybe California did vote for it. But maybe they got it wrong?

People scared of the government are going to force us to live in a world of unjust laws. If we allow everything to be decided by the people, we will be a country where prejudice has power. Sometimes we need to trust that higher authorities (like Supreme Court Justices) know more about laws and rights and allow them to dictate the way this country runs.

I think it's a well-written article but I think you came to the decision too rashly that a judge overturning a popular vote is wrong. It is controversial for sure, but in most cases it's beneficial, and in this case, necessary.

br political
Mon Aug 30 2010 19:36
You got to be kidding! Is this the same Iowa where they sacked their qb (WaterLou) for some funnyboy remark and where the public let stay the Iowa court rulling on fake gay marrieage. See the CA flag? It says republic! You figure the next step against the feds.

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